Facebook “call and response”

This thread actually started out with a post from a (reasonable ) liberal  friend of mine positing why a certain Scandinavian country was shutting down prisons due to lack of inmates. A friend of the friend replied with some smart a** remark about the country didn’t have a bunch of conservative Nazis as does the USA. I pointed out that “Nazi” was a shortened version of National Socialist Party. That led to his rant:

Gxxx :
Oh yeah, they called themselves a socialist party. And in much the same spirit the neocons have named themselves republicans What’s in a name? President Obama is a socialist. President Obama is a Muslim. President Obama attended a radical Christian Church. President Obama was born in Africa. President Obama will nationalize your retirement accounts. President Obama’s national healthcare death panels will let you die. “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” I’ll bet YOU know who I’m quoting in the last paragraph. The poster child of all conservatives. 

Me:
 Hey Gxxx, that quote is (mis)attributed) to Goebbels, ref: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels. Way to keep the discussion classy by calling a Nazi the “poster child of all Conservatives”, I resent that remark. I thought all you liberals were sensitive types? (Naw, I knew better). So, to some of your rantings: Mr. Obama didn’t attend a radical church? I guess Rev. Wright is a real mainstream Protestant preacher. Who knew? I’m not so much concerned where Mr. Obama was born as I am left scratching my head about his up bringing. Do we have any proof that he actually was taught anything positive about American History. Well, probably not in those “overseas schools”. Where are his transcripts of his college days? How about any scholarly writings from his time as Editor of the Harvard Law Review? or was it Yale? (Hard to tell those elite schools apart. But of course those are the places our betters attend, so we shouldn’t question anything the elites do; they are so much smarter and, well, better than we mere mortals.)  If Mr. Obama is not a capital S Socialist, then he is for sure a lower case s socialist; he had no problem abrogating the rights of GM’s [and Chrysler’s] bondholders to take them over, nor any problem with crony capitalism which is just socialism acting like capitalism. I would go on, but I’m finished refuting you, Gxxx. Some people simply will not learn. Buh bye.

I could’ve said more with better references, but I truly am tired of trying to discuss rationally with people who just don’t want to listen to facts that might confuse them. My resonable liberal friend and I don’t agree on much, but we respect each other and can have rational discussions. We both will listen to ideas that might be opposed to our point of view, and while we might not  change to the other side, we will at least ponder the new information.

I’ve decided that my time left on this mortal coil will be better spent by using less time trying to argue with idiots and more time enjoying life.

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2 responses to “Facebook “call and response”

  1. tacitusrmars

    I wouldn’t call myself a Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, Socialist or anything else. You would probably consider me a Liberal b/c I do tend to lean to the left a bit. Having said that though I support your effort to have a rational discussion. There are a few politicians and public figures who I might compare to the Nazis, but they are few and far between. I’d have to say that I find it pretty tasteless when people make those comparisons whether it’s Nazi = G.W. Bush or Nazi = Barack Obama, I find that utterly ridiculous to make the comparison. The problem with our politics today is partially that people aren’t talking with each other rationally about things. The rest mostly has to do with the two-party system, massive corruption, too much money in politics, out-of-control corporations and their lobbyist friends and ineffective government. Please follow my blog if you’d like, I’ll follow yours.

    • Tacitusrmars
      I’ll agree that one of the problems is non-rational discussion between people, but I would also say that Politics has always been a down and dirty fight. A cursory reading of political history will surfice to prove that. Don’t know that it’s fixable because people have passions and they are usually very much on display when discussing politics,or sports. Sometimes passion is the enemy of reason.

      Anyway welcome, glad you at least gave me a read. If I can figure out this blog formatting I’ll put your blog on my roll. I’ve been locked out of my blog for the last few days(entirely my fault) which is the reason for the delay in responding to you.

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